Talk:Broken Bridge (BB)

It kind of makes sense to add links to "Broken Bridge (OOB)" and "Broken Bridge (Glitches)" at the end of this article, maybe under "Further reading" or "Expert Mode topics". Similar for all other chapter articles. The thinking here is that a reader exploring a level is likely to be willing to continue with advanced topics and right now there is no connection. // Qtzl3000 (talk) 09:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

i asked at the wiki discord and we all say its hard decisions. It seems we are towards "can we hide expert mode" :D Expert Mode is more a thing that should open up to people that already got some journeys. You ll miss important ingame knowledge or experiences you might need later, if going to fast.

Before i explain too much the thoughts behind all that, i ll give you a talk from discord (which i still recommend to join, so we dont have journey wiki-channel, the wiki-server and talk pages to look over and discuss things <3).

Naharie I've debated back and forth a lot on that point myself in terms of whether I should suggest it :slight_smile: One the one hand, as a more experienced player I don't think BB OOB page, I think BB and that is what I search and then look for OOB and remember it's a different thing...

On the other hand, it runs a far greater risk of introducing new people to things more quickly then should be the case, so it's a hard call.

''newbie (EU)' you can just type BB and select the level from the search list either normal or oob or type oob levels to get the list etc and thats my reasioning too. i spent much time to think about how to build a wiki thats split in half lets say. since not everyone wants to be bothered or spoiled by all the extra stuff and many things of that are already or will be on normal articles

Naharie Optimally there would be a way to allow people to opt into expert mode. You know, something like the #rules channel on the server. After reading the warning and acknowledging you want to continue you are shifted into expert mode. (Also can opt out)

If that was the case us wiki editors could just insert a conditional clause that renders extra stuff when in expert mode. For instance, that could be used to add OOB links, remove the expert mode warning... I know it doesn't exist, but still. We can dream.

newbie (EU) haha i had the same thought, it would be nice to at least say ok you need once this one step, its a decision to make, if you feel ready do it... but its a wiki, so i think we cant really hide things like that allthough there are "hidden categories" (not sure what that means and what we can do with it) expert stuff is featured even on the front page (i disklike it, but i mean, its a wiki right?) maybe feature just the main article expert mode - after redoing it a bit.

Ravingmadness (talk) 12:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

All valid points. I'm thinking from the perspective of an editor/writer, and as a newcomer to this Wiki I also experience it as a reader myself, hence the suggestions and actions to improve the flow. If we want this to be "the" Journey wiki we'll need to strike the right balance between comprehensiveness (for advanced players) and accessibility (for new players). From that perspective, it is better to have links to relevant further content such as Broken Bridge (OOB) at the end of the main Broken Bridge section. I'd say if we call that section "Expert Mode topics" rather than simply "See also" it would give enough warning to those who're willing to read further. Qtzl3000 (talk) 04:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

i d like to again, mention the wiki-discord-server... is there a reason that you dont like to join it? Its much more direct and helps the work flow, since 2 other editors are there too and you guys could help each other out and we all could easier make decisions together.

Imo a newcomer easier gets spoiled or temtped to click "uhoh secret stuff here, that you shouldnt read right now" then an expert has problems to find "oob" stuff for example.

its just about the search field and typing what you are searching for. I think its somewhat clear that there is a ton of extra stuff on the wiki and an expert will snoop around and then remember there is oob and glitches etc. i just type "BB oob" and 1 click later i am on that article.

another "problem" could be: how to sort glitches, its hard to find the stuff you want to know, since people can not know what we put on the wiki or not. It might exist, but we didnt mention it yet or we just don t have enough info or material about it. The glitches are ofte long lines of text to describe them, how to sort those, so they are found easier? That bugs me for some time, but didnt found a solution yet. Ravingmadness (talk) 16:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)