User talk:Qtzl3000

Hi! We can use this article to have chats about what to do or questions (if i can help with knowledge or have questions about some edits).

I am so glad you are here :)

Workplan for raving i just saw you edited a level article. for over 2 weeks now i got "dump" articles to refurbish the level articles, and actually filling the rest of the levels. even the images for those are mostly uploaded, just not implemented.

Next try to work on those will be this week. You can have a look at the article "BB dump" to see what my plan is. Many mini edits on the normal level articles lead to that i have to copy past all those to the dump article or they will get lost (just for info).

Keep up the great work! (don't forget about image - categories though please)

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Ravingmadness (talk) 15:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

//qtzl3000 so how do I reply to this?? )) I found this wiki whilst exploring Journey myself and it helped me a lot with OOB and Fancy Flying but I felt a lot of areas deserved some TLC so I started filling in the gaps where I could. Right now I'm mostly just loading a Random Page every now and then and go through it fixing typos/styles/formatting etc. Happy to focus on the "dump" articles instead and polish those. Qtzl3000 (talk) 02:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

late response, we are all so busy it seems! :)

TLC?`yes the wiki is like 20 % or less done. some basic things are missing and many glitch things and tricks. slides and dancing also missing etc.

And much more about how to travel with companions. Said it somewhere else too, finally uploaded the images for levels and oob (still got some very specific ones, that i ll upload when ready to talk about that thing). Some Symbols or Glyphs images still might be missing, checking on those tomorrow. Then finally - i pray - i can work more on the level articles D:

Btw. we finally got redirects!! yes. i think you saw the line of edits? :D Ravingmadness (talk) 20:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

About the what needs to be checked: "everything". sometimes i am not even sure if the PS rules for the CMATW apply totally like that for the PC version. Especially the part with back to title screen differences to chapter selecting.

since the icons are rather new there are 2 things you can check:


 * search for "verification", "investigation" "needs proof" and such to find articles

same with this one https://journey.gamepedia.com/File:Investigation-SMALL-75x43.gif Ravingmadness (talk) 15:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * on the icon-page you can scroll down to see where else the needs to be checked was implemented: https://journey.gamepedia.com/File:NeedsToBeChecked-SMALL-75x43.gif

I recognised that you move images to galleries. If there are many images on the left side, please keep them there. Its a design thing. As people read along the article, they also get the images to the stuff mentioned along.

Actually if there is some text on the article already, i like to see the images to the left, rather then a single gallery in the end. You can find according images often already in the category of that article, just need to add them.

I tried to give the wiki a "special" look, as far as possible and the image-line to the left should be kept. it avoids also huge galleries. Thank you. Ravingmadness (talk) 15:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

I need to think about it... the reason I've been moving side images to galleries is because on my screen they often disrupt the flow of the article, some paragraphs start halfway on the side of a picture which is related to a previous subject, sometimes there is a huge gap because the image is much taller than the text it accompanies etc. Also, someone suggested the gallery template a few days back when I started working on this Wiki and I took that as the preferred layout. I understand what you mean by having the images flow on the side like a film strip along the main text, maybe it does on your device but it looks all torn and broken on mine; I'll stop moving the images for now, will think how we can achieve what you aim for. Qtzl3000 (talk) 03:56, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Since i dont have a smartphone i can not check how the wiki appears on those devices :( i know some stuff is automatically changed. It would be helpful to see how it looks on your side.

Recently i found a solution to make paragraphs or headlines start only after the last image is "finished". template:Clear. I am still learning about how to wiki too and when i started the wiki i had no possibility to take screenshots (other then directly with a camera from my TV).

The articles often look messy because: like you mentioned, more images then text. Then it might be i had time, added images, but didnt find the words to describe it yet (the text beside the images needs to be written). Or i had not enough time to work on line break, but still quickly wanted to put some info on the wiki (better then its in a doc on my pc and after weeks i ve forgotten about it).

I d like images from your side, to see if its actually messed up by system or just a not finished article. With now 3 fresh editors things are going forward, we are also discussing the gallery things and how to do things. We are trying to not "change rules" every second day ofc. The gallery info on the stylesheet was maybe more a misunderstanding. and apologies that it didnt mention there the left side images.

We will figure all out i hope. To me the highest priority are still the basic articles, atm i really dont see free time for making a proper stylesheet, when i also have to first think about how we want things, and how they look on different devices, if you get what i mean. Yes it should look all nice and such, but information is also important.

(on weekends i dont have much time, just wrote this quickly, thanks for fixing my 1000 typos :( omg so sorry for those) Ravingmadness (talk) 15:49, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

No worries. I'll try the "Clear" template to see if it works across devices. I think I also found another option that might work, only adding a few relevant images to "mini-galleries" and have a few of those in the right parts of the article rather than collating them all at the end. I'm basically endlessly clicking "Random Article" and fixing whatever catches my eye, if I come across something that looks particularly broken on my screen I'll take a screenshot and share with you. Wiki is a great technology and it's filled with tools that make sure things are formatted properly on all kinds of screens (not that I'm a Wiki expert or anything, but I do read Wikipedia a lot :-) Qtzl3000 (talk) 15:56, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, it's about time I join that Discord thing. Qtzl3000 (talk) 15:56, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

in short: yes the wiki with the CSS and other stuff has possibilities endless. but only if you first learn about all those things, which would mean not actually adding stuff, just testing and looking up things that others can fix or create in 20 mins. i really would like to have some nice things, but i can not allow to take weeks off to find those things out and make a plan about "how do i want it with tools that i dont know which exists".. :D horrible feeling.

will scarfhug when you enter :) thanks. i use discord only in browser. Ravingmadness (talk) 13:51, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

another thing... if you are somehow familiar with template stuff, we could use some ambox thing to make "investigation" stuff appear in one box, so its easier to see whre the questioned thing stops and normal text info starts again?

this is on my longterm list.. like a nice to have, but cant look at it right now, neither find time later to change the investigations... Ravingmadness (talk) 15:33, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

if you would be on the wiki-discord, you could see how huge the 250px galleries are on my screen, its almost like the text is just a caption, but the article is images. the 250 px refers to the "left side implemented images, that create a line on the left side. used when there is lots of text to illustrate it".

i know its anyways impossible to try to make the wiki here look everywhere the same, but maybe try to use 120/150 maybe? even when i know there is more text below a screen full of images, i dont feel like scrolling... imagine someone else just stopping to read (since assumed after images nothing comes). Ravingmadness (talk) 14:06, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Ugh okay height=250 also came from that gallery template which I took as recommended use :-) wrong again I guess... For testing purposes I've changed the Scarf gallery to 150px and it has a different feel but looks okay on my screen -- see if that works for you and maybe that's the balanced option. I mostly edit on a 2.5K monitor so 250px looks like a large preview (bigger than a thumbnail but small enough to have a few of those side by side. Let me know if 150px is ok. Qtzl3000 (talk) 14:29, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

we are still trying to figure things out, so its not really wrong.. :D i know thats the 250 on the stylsheet too, but until we didnt really decide how to (and different articles sometimes need different sizes), i didnt know what to change there .. sorry about that.

i just tested some packed with overlaying captions, 150 px too. looks better, allthough some imgages are only half visible, since the caption is blocking it now :D just one week till steam release. i dont want to focus on pixels right now. later we can always come back and change all around. its just natural that things look different if several ppl work on one thing?

Ravingmadness (talk) 15:48, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I even changed some of those from packed-overlay back to packed because of that. And you're right, different sizes may be needed in different circumstances, like if there are only 3-4 images in a gallery 150px looks best, but if there is a dozen or so then smaller size is better, like 120px. All cool, I think we're getting there! I've been busy with the Entities/Objects lately just because those were among the most incomplete ones. Overall this wiki is looking much more solid now so I'm sure it will help many newcomers when the Steam version gets released. Let me know if you need a hand with some specific parts as I've been mostly editing whatever comes from the "Random page" link. Qtzl3000 (talk) 15:59, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

this is urgent

please just stop with all those splitting and renaming! in some cases its important to have 2 names there. we can think later about a solution.

i dont have time to look at later changes and revert the name-change beofre that. can yo please fix: sand in HL / dirty robe trick. make it like it was before. cmtaw, many do not understand the term. now they will never find out what it stands for. many articles have the accoring uses abbreviation in the titel for a good reason. please save the newer changes you did and give us back the abbreviation...

i am really stressed out now. and it may be according to wiki stuff what you do, but i strongly believe it will not help people. example "my robe is not dirty, this must be something else". no its the same thing, it can just look differently for unkown reasons... thank you! Ravingmadness (talk) 11:31, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey, no need to be stressed! Nothing is lost or deleted, CMATW for example can still be found easily and still leads to the correct article. I've added clarifications for CMATW and Sand in HL as well as a redirect for CMATW so that it could be found explicitly. I'm just trying to make things more wiki-like and accessible (from the perspective of a new reader, which for the most part I still am even though I've been editing here). I appreciate that certain things are well-known to the community by their shorthand names -- for that reason I haven't fixed Level articles like Broken Bridge (BB) for example because I felt that needed a discussion (and because those articles are getting re-worked anyway). I also appreciate that some of my edits affect areas that weren't considered previously. Keeping article titles precise whist resolving duplicates and ambiguities via Redirects and Disambiguation pages is generally recognised as a preferred practice for references online and offline, the best example of which would be Wikipedia (just search for "PSN" there). I won't be making any more moves, although they would be beneficial in my opinion, but I beg you to at least consider the experience of established publishers such as Wikipedia when it comes to article names and resolving ambiguity. Qtzl3000 (talk) 12:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

thank you, although i am not sure what exactly happend now. why disambig. its the same thing. cmtaw is the copmanions list. either you or me later, please make the article title as it was. almost every thing with an abbreviation has a title with the abbreviation, so its easier for ppl to remember. it really does make sense, also concerning the "glossary". the wiki is intentionally not like other wikis, its for the community not so much for the random player. journey has many ressourses outside the wiki that people can use if reading an abbreviation to a title is soooo confusing to them....

the wiki is to help people to learn more about journey, this also means the abbreviations.

on one view you get all the names and the abbreviations. '''if i skim through something and i read dirty robe, while i had sand.. i will not click that article. ''' i need to check now how that robe article loosk or what links to which. or you just make that title ugly again quickly and we think after the steam hype about it.

please, its important we fix some other things. we can discuss later when there is more time.

i am really in panic right now (its just 2 articles), but i can not efford now to spend time on those little things, but later i might forget and the information might be lost or too hidden for ppl to find.

hopefully will find some time later this day. to tlak more, but the front page and levels and and and is still waiting for me.

is tehre nothing were you think you could make an article about? spending your time on that maybe for 1 week? o0 :D slides? :) pushing? dancing? more challegnes? more tricks?

Ravingmadness (talk) 12:34, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Following up to down texts here.

About the psycho jellies. I am still wondering about that (and someone else told me, the think its just general sounds of tower, not jellyfish).

Didnt you say you can hear it in my video about luring chirp bubble? thats from ps3, so it would be confirmed for that version.

I think in that video, i chose a normal activation path though o0 The video could be added there. oh. is it on tower article maybe already? then i d remove it there and add link info about psycho jelly on jelly article.

Just for info.. 17:14, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

So. The sounds definitely come from Jellyfish when they are around. How do I know? there are chirp bubbles emitted by jellies. I'll upload another video. With goo in the tower, things get blurred out of vision pretty fast, so you have to be close enough to see the Jellies (bubbles don't blur so they are visible from the distance). I had a similar glitch in UG the other day where the carpet cloth got torn apart but there was an invisible carpet next to the Ambush (no carpet visible, but emitting chirps/bubbles and leaving traces on the sand).

I am really curious about those sounds, and remember the talk we had on discord, long ago. But first comes that gloss thing and trying to motivate myself to clean up my old files finally. since there is no new version or something expected (like basic journey infos were needed when pc came out and i had to abandon many things for that).

The carpet, wow. not that i remember hearing about an invis carpet, BUT:

- sometimes i get and it was mentioned by others: you can hear (in OOB at least) a carpet purr/chirp. At places where no carpet normally appears, like around the end tower.

- sometimes i wonder if this carpet is connected to that UG IF glitch, since rebi said it might be the carpet merged to you :o

For things to do.. some plans/wishes are on the trello (which i rarely check for updates, but i hope someone would tell me, if there is something going on :D).

As always, if its something bigger, i d prefer that we talk first about it. So i dont have to complain later or you have to change things... ;)

Ravingmadness (talk) 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I've added a video to the Jellyfish article showing Psy Jellies emitting chirps.
 * Invisible carpet, I can trigger it reliably and will add a section to Carpets (Glitched) and/or UG OOB article. I have also discovered another glitch the carpet becomes vertical (head down), very funny.

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i just watched your and my video where those jellies emit bubbles. in your video i can hear the jelly-purr, in mine its hard to hear/i fail to hear, but think it is there too. it probably is a special case as imo they do not emit sound at all when alone at other places. but would need to check to make sure. just for clarification: its the sound-discussion that bugs me, that they do emit bubbles is clear and its also the luring bubble, since jellies are invisible when you are high above, so only the bubble is visible..

carpet where to add

ye, those are the things i am breaking my head and trying to keep consistent. example "do we add info about that carpet in UG and link from carpet article to that section or other way around.

and i think many of those things should be once sorted again/checked. imo i d say do it at carpet glitched and give some info in UG OOB, where also WM glitched is linked. which brings me to the section of snow oob carpet types. which i long time ago complained about. its a huuuge long thing and could be its own article. this article is then linked on carpets glitched and on snow oob? how does that sound?

which leads to the next thing: if i ever find the time to at least cut/paste sights to new articles, we/i have to check all those links. so i really would like to have this done first, BEFORE we start linking to many sights and stuff in OOB.

brrr :(

Ravingmadness (talk) 14:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Just for info, about "Once the glitch is well understood and validated on different platforms, an article or a section will be added where most relevant."

yes and no. i did articles where i had almost no info, but knew there will be talks and discussions, quotes etc. text and images i d like to keep without spamming another article. like IF, which itself become so big i had to split that too.

if we have info, we should drop it on the wiki. we can not wait and hold back, with info that might help others to investigate it more. (not a complaint here, just my brain wanting to clarify things :D) Ravingmadness (talk) 14:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)