Please forgive me, since I'm not even sure if I'm doing this right. I'm a graphics contributor to the wiki, not someone who has actually put this together. I can say that I, as a fan, however, use the Gamepedia one much more often. Those who directly edit this wiki are active and informed members of the community who are up-to-date on events and things happening that pertain to the game and its fans. I feel that locking it would be an hindrance to the community and its growth, especially since this is the older of the two. Thank you for your time.
Uniting this wiki with Fandom's Journey community
For those who have not yet heard: Last year, Gamepedia and Fandom joined forces and are now two platforms on the same network. Later this year, we'll even become one unified platform. The teams at both Gamepedia and Fandom want to encourage our communities to work together now instead of splitting their efforts and competing with each other for readers and new editors. With Journey being free on PlayStation 4 at the moment, this seems like a good time to talk about this: People are interested in this game now more than they have been for a while, and they deserve one definitive source of information.
I'd like to know how all of you here feel about uniting with Fandom's Journey community. That would mean we archive one wiki - lock it from editing but keep the pages accessible to readers - and put a banner up that directs visitors towards the other, active wiki. Anyone who used to edit the now-archived wiki would be able to contribute to the active wiki, and any content on one side that's missing on the other can be moved over with edit histories intact. Note: No merger will take place if the communities are against it.
The advantages of uniting on one site are clear: By working together, all Journey fans could build a resource on the game more effectively, and players would no longer be confused as to which site they should turn to for information. Both wikis have roughly the same amount of content. The Fandom wiki received about 78,000 pageviews in the last 30 days. Here on Gamepedia, it was about 28,000 in the same time frame. That makes the Fandom wiki the obvious choice because it already draws a bigger audience, but what really matters is where editors want to edit. Keep in mind that later this year, both the Gamepedia and the Fandom wiki will move onto the same platform and then have a very similar if not the same layout, tool set and staff support.
So: Are you interested in merging with your partner community on Fandom? Would you be willing to edit on Fandom going forward, moving over information you may have contributed here? Would you move information from Fandom here, if the Fandom users wanted to come here? Or would you rather keep things as they are? Please speak up as soon as possible!
- People are interested in this game now more than they have been for a while, and they deserve one definitive source of information.
I totally agree and talked a while ago with the Wiki Manager about the Fandom Wiki, but decided to keep it like it was for the time being. I wrote a message on the Front Page there, referring to the “newer” Wiki and recently discovered that someone did some edits on the Fandom Wiki.
Further there is even another Journey Wiki that was started around 7 months ago, but is not connected to Gamepedia as far as i know, just for information.
- I'd like to know how all of you here feel about uniting with Fandom's Journey community. That would mean we archive one wiki - lock it from editing but keep the pages accessible to readers - and put a banner up that directs visitors towards the other, active wiki. Anyone who used to edit the now-archived wiki would be able to contribute to the active wiki, and any content on one side that's missing on the other can be moved over with edit histories intact. Note: No merger will take place if the communities are against it.
That sounds like a very good idea! I am starting to think about a short text about the differences between the Wikis. The Fandom one was started long before the game came out on PC/iOS, the Gamepedia Wiki adapted quickly and provided infos/answers to FAQ that the new players on PC had and even some tech-support.
- Both wikis have roughly the same amount of content. The Fandom wiki received about 78,000 pageviews in the last 30 days. Here on Gamepedia, it was about 28,000 in the same time frame.
I don’t agree on that: Gamepedia has already much information about
- specifics and differences on each version, warning about certain bugs on each PS3/PS4/PC version and as soon as there is an editor that plays on iOS we can cover that too
- info about connection with companions, how to avoid disconnect, how people travel, commons signs that people seem to show when travelling etc.
- a huge thing in journey are glitches, the Gamepedia wiki is the first to cover those too and flying techniques and a ton of those things is still not even mentioned on the Gamepedia. But none of this is findable on the Fandom one
- just look at the amount of articles that both wikis have
- the other wiki has more views: since its much older, google is mostly showing this first and the Gamepedia somewhere else. people that got the game now for free from Sony will automatically land on the Fandom Wiki first, unless they already know community terms and search for those
- So: Are you interested in merging with your partner community on Fandom?**
It would be really nice to have some help with the Gamepedia Wiki, still many basics things are missing, since I concentrated on providing information that all the other wikis about journey didn’t cover yet. Fandom could be like a gateway to the Gamepedia Wiki. In the disclaimer about “this wiki is archived” we could mention that the Gamepedia Wiki is for all those that want more out of Journey. I am still thinking about how to word this better…
- Would you be willing to edit on Fandom going forward, moving over information you may have contributed here?
I don’t think that the structure of the Gamepedia Wiki is easy transportable to the Fandom Wiki. Everything is split up (for reasons) into normal Journey stuff and “extra” stuff. I highly recommend going forward with Gamepedia. It has a unique style, making community secrets official was a bold move also. Keeping Gamepedia also means to give players the chance to discover stuff in Journey together and build articles on that.
Example: investigating on Glitches and using talk pages to gather the information; since I am connected to the community (that exists since 2012) we can also feature community events and help the community with making special articles as needed.
- Would you move information from Fandom here, if the Fandom users wanted to come here? Or would you rather keep things as they are? Please speak up as soon as possible! **
If they got information to fill the Gamepedia Wiki they are welcome. I could make a discord server where editors can plan on topics they want to cover (to avoid crossover-working and double mentions).
Its just very easy to assume things in Journey. I always try to verify things with other players, before I write it on the wiki. I will do this with eventual edits too and ask the editor back if I got questions / remove an edit or put the “needs to be checked” icon to it until the case is solved.
Since I had an unpleasant encounter with one editor some time ago, I might be overly cautious. I would really nice to work in a team and discuss on how to do things, what to add etc.
Apologies for the late response, MikhailMCraft was asking me yesterday if they could write you so that you got your answer asap. I just didn’t wanted to make a decision within minutes. I wanted to write down my reasons for “Gamepedia for the win” too. I might check on Fandom regularly, about what the other editors there say, until now I didn’t see an answer. If you can, please keep me updated (decisions, questions etc.) Ravingmadness (talk) 16:47, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- We know there is yet another Journey wiki outside of our network, but that's completely outside our control. So the best we can work towards is uniting those Journey wikis that we do have on our platform(s).
- The reason why we consider the Fandom wiki the better choice as the active wiki going forward is the frustrating and unfortunate fact that it's a lot more straightforward and often easier to move content from one wiki to another than it is to get Google to rank pages as you would like it to. We've found that even if we lock a wiki and put a banner on every single page, telling people to go to the better wiki on the topic, many won't follow that link. They'll just drop off and we lose them, perhaps forever.
- We've also found that Fandom wikis sometimes rank better on Google than Gamepedia wikis even though the Gamepedia wiki may have more up-to-date, complete information, simply because Fandom has invested more over the years in optimizing the site's general infrastructure to make it as Google-friendly as possible.
- We can make the Gamepedia wiki the active wiki going forward. It might just mean that we'll lose some traffic from Journey fans overall, at least in the near term, and since Fandom is currently favored by Google, it'd be extra important to move over content that may be missing here and exists over there, so that the wiki here can rise in rankings.
- If you stand firm and would prefer for this wiki here to be the active one going forward, you could influence things on the Fandom side yourself, for instance by posting in the Fandom discussion thread that you'd be happy to work with Fandom editors, and that you could help look at content and move any good parts over. As a staff member, I can claim the same, but it would be a lot more convincing coming from you, an actual active editor here on the Gamepedia wiki! If most of the Fandom editors were willing to come here, I'd be happy to help the process by archiving the wiki there. If everyone prefers to stick to the wiki they're used to, we'll end at am impasse, unfortunately Miralaime (talk) 00:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I also talked with PCJ about the situation to understand the options better. At the moment i am telling people to be active and comment here or on fandom. Since its not to obvious for the normal user, thats its a big decision also for the future of this wiki and the information here.